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Post by Cyggy on Mar 5, 2022 5:25:30 GMT
Please rate and discuss this story here.....
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 7, 2022 16:45:43 GMT
Used to like it at the time, but not really a fan of this story these days. Too much concentration on the guest characters and not enough involvement from the Doctor. All a bit to gloomy for me as well. Maybe just not a fan of Doctor Who stories set in funeral parlours.
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Post by GC on Mar 22, 2022 2:19:47 GMT
T'other way round for me. I used to dislike it - mainly cos of that Alexei Sayle D.J character and Jenny Tomasin (I've learnt to live with both now) and to a lesser extent, cos the Doctor and the Daleks were kind of sidelined in it (now I think that was a good thing. Less is more and all that) - I like this a lot nowadays. Think its Colin's best story. I love that melancholic atmosphere it had throughout. Nice dollop of black comedy. Davros less ranty and more conniving. Loved William Gaunt's Orcini, that glass Dalek and the bit at the end where the Skaro Daleks turn up and cart Davros off to face trial for crimes against the Daleks.
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Post by Cyggy on Jul 6, 2022 20:33:54 GMT
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Post by Future-Diver on Feb 26, 2023 15:48:50 GMT
"Instant death doesn't bother me. It's the long lingering kind I'm worried about. You forget I'm a doctor. When they slice me open, I'll know the name and function of each organ that plops out".'Revelation Of The Daleks' has a wonderful streak of black humour that I found very appealing - rarely has Doctor Who been this morbid or gruesome (guess that's what happens when you set a story in a funeral parlour and get Eric Saward to write it!). Yet Revelation is never depressing or grim - it's fun, mad and fascinatingly adult and expertly directed by Graham Harper. Great guest cast too - Clive Swift, Alexei Sayle and Eleanor Bron are of particular note (and it's nice to see William Gaunt, one of The Champions, as Orcini the mercenary). Evelyn Waugh's novel 'The Loved One' is often cited as an influence on Revelation, but the basic plot also reminds me a bit of the Judge Dredd strip; 'The Forever Crimes' by John Wagner and Brian Bolland ( 2000AD Prog 120, 1979). In this classic tale, JD uncovers a blackmail plot at 'Forever Towers' - a suspended animation centre. Advanced medical technology has allowed the wealthiest citizens of Mega-City 1 to cheat death, until such a time as a cure can be found for their condition - though I don't think anyone there is turned into a protein food supplement!
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Post by sadako on May 12, 2023 11:25:01 GMT
Definitely Colin's best TV story.
There are periods where I sometimes think it might even be good enough to single-handedly save the decade for me. Certainly it's a story that's hard to imagine coming out of any other era.
In a lot of ways it shouldn't work. The human characters seem irrationally psychotic for little reason, it's never quite clear why they're willing to work with Davros, given Earth's history with the Daleks. Yet somehow Graeme Harper creates the kind of world of melodrama on acid where it all works.
There are so many savourable moments with William Gaunt's Orcini and Terry Molloy's Davros, some cool cliche-crusher moments, some brilliant 'straight for the jugular' sequences (namely Natasha confronting her Dalekized father), and all topped off with a great final act where firstly Orcini, and then the Daleks of old break Davros' fort.
There are a few niggles I do have. The Tasambeker subplot seems to go nowhere and just feels another sadistic indulgence on Saward's part. There probably should've been more to make it more lucid that Natasha is actually Stengos' daughter (namely the Doctor should probably recognize her), and also that Kara's real target is meant to be the visiting president.
And I do feel these days that Colin's Doctor was denied his fair piece of the action in his only Dalek story. Surely Saward could've done more to involve him in the action earlier.
I give it a 9 overall. It mostly satisfies and even goes that bit further than most Who stories. To be frank, if the 1985 suspension crisis really had been the end for the show, I think I'd have been happy with this as a finishing note.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 26, 2023 15:41:21 GMT
When I compared THE LOVED ONE to "Revelation", I noted that "Mr. Joyboy" (Rod Steiger) seems far more "involved" with his mother than was sane or healthy. Tie this in with "Mr. Jobel" (Clive Swift) telling Tasembekker, "I would sooner run away with my MOTHER!"
Loved the bit... "You know, if the statue had been real, I doubt it would have killed you." "Oh?" "It would take a MOUNTAIN to crush an ego the size of yours!" (Possibly true, but, do you suppose he's projecting here?)
By the widest possible margin, Orcini (William Gaunt) is my favorite guest-character this entire season. I love how he begins firing even when he's still turning, and takes out that one Dalek without even actually seeing it first. It still pisses me off that Eric Saward, in typical fashion, killed him off pointlessly at the end, and he DIDN'T even get to succeed in killing Davros. Here's a character who deserved to become a recurring figure, crossng paths with The Doctor once a season, to allow audiences to compare their wildly-varying methods.
Terry Malloy's BEST appearance by far. Davros is best when he's quiet and sinister......... like my (NOW-EX!) older home care client was, JUST before he BOOTED me out of my assignment. (NEVER made THAT comparison until just this moment... heeheehee.)
Doesn't seem right that the story's subtle tribute to Laurel & Hardy should be the only ones left alive and still in charge of the place. The Doctor's one real contribution is suggesting to them they should become farmers and turn all that unused land into growing food to avert the growing famine Davros mentioned.
In the long run, there were only TWO stories in season 22 I really liked-- this and "The Two Doctors". One was written by Robert Holmes, the other was a TRIBUTE to Robert Holmes.
"Mark of the Rani" has NO PLOT... "Attack of the Cybermen" is a convoluted pointless mess... "Vengeance On Varos" is just viscious for the sake of being viscious... and I rank "Timelash" as the single WORST story of the whole 26 seasons. NO S***.
No question. JNT & Eric Saward both needed to GET THE F*** out of there before this ever started. Under saner hands, Saward's career as a writer might have really blossomed. Maybe.
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Post by heccy on Oct 26, 2023 20:35:36 GMT
I find it too bleak and depressing these days.
Not one of my favourites, sorry.
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Post by GC on Aug 1, 2024 18:41:45 GMT
90. Doctor Who Locations Guide - Revelation of the Daleks{Spoiler}
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