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Post by Cyggy on Mar 3, 2022 8:12:18 GMT
Please rate and discuss this story here.....
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Post by GC on Mar 4, 2022 5:10:14 GMT
Doctor Who - The Massacre Photo Gallery (updated)
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 5, 2022 20:04:07 GMT
Am not sure if this is one of the greatest stories of all time - or an over-rated one simply on account of us not having a scrap of moving footage from it.
It would be lovely to get something back from it, but maybe all those wordy - albeit very well acted - scenes of powerplay and intrigue might get a bit wearisome?
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 19, 2022 13:02:07 GMT
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 19, 2022 13:16:24 GMT
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 19, 2022 13:20:19 GMT
Some brilliant dialogue in this one:
CHARLES: Yes, I am the King, and to be obeyed! Now keep out of my sight unless you care to end your days in a convent. CATHERINE: I would wish you have the courage, my son. CHARLES: I have but to give the order. CATHERINE: Summon your guards, have me arrested. But you had better have a good reason for the council and for the people. CHARLES: The attempted assassination of my Admiral, by you and Tavannes. Do you deny it, Madame? CATHERINE: No. CHARLES: Have a care. I mean what I say. I shall send Tavannes to the block! CATHERINE: You would execute the Marshall of France for doing his duty? CHARLES: Duty? He's an assassin! CATHERINE: He tried to rid you of a dangerous enemy. CHARLES: de Coligny is my friend. You, Madame, are my enemy. CATHERINE: If ever I were to be. CHARLES: May God help you. (The Queen Mother throws a list of names onto the table.) CATHERINE: Look at these before you decide who are your enemies. You think the Huguenots would stop at killing me? They want your blood too. CHARLES: So you keep telling me every day of my life. Why? I protect them. They're all my subjects. What have they to gain? CATHERINE: Until now, nothing. CHARLES: And now? CATHERINE: We have a Protestant prince in Paris, Henri of Navarre. You think they give a fig for your protection, now that one of their own is within grasp of the throne? __________________________________________
STEVEN: Surely there was something we could have done? DOCTOR: No, nothing. Nothing. In any case, I cannot change the course of history, you know that. The massacre continued for several days in Paris and then spread itself to other parts of France. Oh, what a senseless waste. What a terrible page of the past. STEVEN: Did they all die? DOCTOR: Yes, most of them. About ten thousand in Paris alone. STEVEN: The Admiral? DOCTOR: Yes. STEVEN: Nicholas? You had to leave Anne Chaplet there to die. DOCTOR: Anne Chaplet? STEVEN: The girl! The girl who was with me! If you'd brought her with us she needn't have died. But no, you had to leave her there to be slaughtered. DOCTOR: Well, it is possible of course she didn't die, and I was right to leave her. STEVEN: Possible? Look, how possible? That girl was already hunted by the Catholic guards. If they killed ten thousand how did they spare her? You don't know, do you? You can't say for certain that you weren't responsible for that girl's death. DOCTOR: I was not responsible. STEVEN: Oh, no. You just sent her back to her aunt's house where the guards were waiting to catch her. I tell you this much, Doctor, wherever this machine of yours lands next I'm getting off. If your researches have so little regard for human life then I want no part of it. DOCTOR: We've landed. Your mind is made up? (The Tardis doors open.) STEVEN: Goodbye. DOCTOR: My dear Steven, history sometimes gives us a terrible shock, and that is because we don't quite fully understand. Why should we? After all, we're all too small to realise its final pattern. Therefore don't try and judge it from where you stand. I was right to do as I did. Yes, that I firmly believe. (Steven leaves the Tardis without another word.) DOCTOR: Even after all this time he cannot understand. I dare not change the course of history. Well, at least I taught him to take some precautions. He did remember to look at the scanner before he opened the doors. Now they're all gone. All gone. None of them could understand. Not even my little Susan, or Vicki. And as for Barbara and Chatterton. Chesterton. They were all too impatient to get back to their own time. And now, Steven. Perhaps I should go home, back to my own planet. But I can't. I can't.
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 19, 2022 13:22:28 GMT
I think the original episode Bell of Doom used images from the below painting by Francois Dubois to portray the Massacre (as does the Loose Cannon recon).
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 28, 2022 15:54:19 GMT
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Post by Black Orchid on Jun 6, 2022 11:08:40 GMT
Rue De Bethisy - colourized by Clayton Hickman
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Post by Black Orchid on Jun 17, 2022 15:45:34 GMT
"Taken on the set of Preslin’s shop from The Massacre." Clayton Hickman twitter
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Post by Black Orchid on Jun 18, 2022 9:04:28 GMT
"Taken on the Parisian tavern set in Riverside Studio 1 on Friday 21st January 1966." Clayton Hickman twitter
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Post by Cyggy on Jun 22, 2022 13:34:05 GMT
It's a " Warriors' Gate" reunion panel, but at the beginning of this David Weston discusses his experience of making "The Massacre".....
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Post by Cyggy on Jul 7, 2022 20:27:22 GMT
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Post by GC on Feb 6, 2023 18:50:10 GMT
Gorgeous picture.
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 17, 2023 22:35:18 GMT
From a 2022 rewatch....
Episode 1: "War of God"
(Using Loose Cannon Recon on Dailymotion)
I have always thought that I should really like this, ever since it was praised to the skies in the "Discontinuity Guide" book, where it had been previously ignored before then.
This televised one is, of course, a total rewrite of the Lucarotti original scripts.
I did try reading the novelisation once - and keep meaning to try again. Tosh said he rejected the scripts as they were like a travelogue - and from what little I read of the book that does seem to be the feeling, with the Doctor giving a guided tour of where they have landed to Steven, when we should have been pulled into the drama of the story?
Of course, viewers of the day had just seen Sara Kingdom killed. So how do you follow "Destruction of Time"?
Already I don't care what the two guest characters are droning on about. I think this is going to be a rough ride.
I must be honest and say that, were it not for this story, to this day I would still have never heard of the Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve. So Who is to be thanked for that. But I am not sure if I will ever grasp the details of that historical event. Or if any viewers of the day did.
I think the only story thread of interest to me is the tragedy of Anne Chaplette. That's really strong stuff for Doctor Who to tackle head on. How the Doctor leaves someone behind who is clearly doomed. The story leading up to that - am not sure whether I can engage with it.
The Doctor having a double is fuzzily done, with the Doctor dipping out of the story and his double picking up where he left off.
Good actors on view here. The story can't be faulted with the quality of the casting. Not at all.
The dismissal of Anne as "just a servant" is well done.
Intrigue and plotting. And there is Andred from "The Invasion of Time".
The Doctor has left Preslin - and the story for now.
Another bloke has wandered into the tavern where Steven has been left sitting alone, apart from an eavesdropping landlord. I find myself not caring what he has arrived to discuss with the landlord.
Somehow 18 minutes of this adventure have flown by and I don't know where they went. But somehow Steven ended up in this tavern, the Doctor cleared off and there is all this subterfuge and plotting going on with the guest characters.
So there's a curfew.
And - in the last few moments - we get Hartnell as the Abbott. Introduced by his thumping his hand repeatedly on a table. "Fetch her tomorrow! Bring her to me!" is all the dialogue we get - and have to say it just sounds like the First Doctor putting on a bit of a show, pretending to be someone else. No Salamander type attack or different way of speaking here. Unfair to judge a whole performance on these two lines of dialogue, so will see what other scraps of Abbott stuff we get in later episodes.
Already feel that the episode I want back is episode 4 - just for that speech. But any episode of this tale would be welcome, just to represent it in the archives. This episode, setting the tale up, would be nice, despite my struggle to care about the intricacies of the tale that it is telling.
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