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Post by Cyggy on Mar 5, 2022 4:28:45 GMT
Please rate and discuss this story here.....
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 8, 2022 16:27:34 GMT
"The Unfolding Text" book; the final chapter of which is an extensive discussion about the making of "Kinda". I couldn't understand a word of any of this tome.
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 10, 2022 17:17:07 GMT
Some brilliant dialogue in this:
HINDLE: The problem is knowing what punishment (for Adric) would be most appropriate. ADRIC: To what? HINDLE: To teach you not to steal. Not to commit treason. To wash behind the ears. Must be painful, don't you think? TODD: For heaven's sake! HINDLE: When I was a boy I was beaten every day. Never did me any harm. Made me the man I am. DOCTOR: Look, I have a suggestion. HINDLE: Silence! All right, speak up. What is it? DOCTOR: Well, I was simply going to suggest that you banished him from the dome, left him at the mercy of the trees. HINDLE: No, no, the trees have no mercy. DOCTOR: Oh yes, I was forgetting. _______________________________________________
(The Doctor treads on a couple of cardboard people.) HINDLE: Careful! DOCTOR: I'm so sorry. SANDERS: It's easily mended. A drop of glue. HINDLE: Don't be silly! You can't mend people, can you. You can't mend people! _______________________________________________
The Good:
Nerys Hughes, Simon Rouse, Richard Todd, Peter Davison, Mary Morris, the actors playing the three Mara in Tegan's head.
The Bad:
All the other actors including Janet Fielding and especially Matthew Waterhouse and Adrian MIlls,
but Sarah Prince as Karuna is worst of all "obedience! obedience! obedience!"
The jungle set - especially the tree,
the bouncy castle snake.
8.5/10
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Post by rapscallion on Mar 10, 2022 22:30:36 GMT
The Good: Nerys Hughes, Simon Rouse, Richard Todd, Peter Davison, Mary Morris, the actors playing the three Mara in Tegan's head. The Bad: All the other actors including Janet Fielding and especially Matthew Waterhouse and Adrian MIlls, but Sarah Prince as Karuna is worst of all "obedience! obedience! obedience!" The jungle set - especially the tree, the bouncy castle snake. 8.5/10 I think Kinda is brilliant - probably my 2nd favourite Davison. But like you say, that jungle set is ridiculously bad. I can't believe that two years prior they could produce something as comparatively realistic as the set for The Creature From The Pit and then go so far downhill with Kinda's set. Surely Peter Grimwade's hands must've been tied for some reason, cos I can't imagine him being silent about that, knowing how seriously he took the stories he was director on. It's a testament to the story itself that so many fans can overlook such poor set realisation.
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Post by GC on Mar 20, 2022 3:02:15 GMT
Don't reckon much on this one I'm afraid. The cheap looking jungle sets, that rubbish giant snake effect and Simon Rouse shouting his bollocks off a bit too much sort of blights this story for me.
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Post by rapscallion on Mar 20, 2022 16:26:17 GMT
Don't reckon much on this one I'm afraid. The cheap looking jungle sets, that rubbish giant snake effect and Simon Rouse shouting his bollocks off a bit too much sort of blights this story for me. Jungle sets aside, have you watched it with the updated Mara effects? I was really impressed with them and will only watch Kinda with them on now. If you haven't seen the update it might sway your opinion. (Can't help with Simon Rouse though, sorry).
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Post by GC on Mar 20, 2022 21:33:40 GMT
Don't reckon much on this one I'm afraid. The cheap looking jungle sets, that rubbish giant snake effect and Simon Rouse shouting his bollocks off a bit too much sort of blights this story for me. Jungle sets aside, have you watched it with the updated Mara effects? I was really impressed with them and will only watch Kinda with them on now. If you haven't seen the update it might sway your opinion. (Can't help with Simon Rouse though, sorry). I have seen a brief clip of the CGI giant snake and I did think they'd done it very well however I'm a bit of a funny old stick, I prefer to see the story as originally broadcast, warts and all. Old classic stories with new improved, updated CGI effects don't do it for me I'm afraid. Guess they're ok as a curio, but can't help feeling it's a bit of a cheat. It's a bit like George Lucas keep tinkering around with his Star Wars films. Sacrilege lol.
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Post by starquake on Mar 21, 2022 16:09:45 GMT
Like Rapscallion, I think this is my second favourite Davison story. It's a good story with interesting characters, and acting-wise Nerys Hughes, Simon Rouse, Mary Morris and Richard Todd are all very good (plus Davison always gives his all) it's just the younger members of the cast that struggle a bit. The CGI Mara fixes my only real problem with this serial.
I've rewatched this one a lot and it never disappoints.
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Post by Cyggy on Jul 7, 2022 15:20:16 GMT
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Post by GC on Feb 23, 2023 5:17:07 GMT
I'm reminded of that time I tried fitting Mum's tumble-dryer hose...
Trapping the Mara | Kinda | Doctor Who
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Post by Future-Diver on Feb 23, 2023 13:34:51 GMT
"Somehow the box linked us up with the Kinda. We were seeing the world through their eyes".
Strange happenings on Deva Loka. I really don't know what to say about Kinda that hasn't been said already. I won't pretend to understand it all, and although it's not my favourite Fifth Doctor adventure, it's probably the one Davison serial I'm most likely to watch. That's because I love Doctor Who when it goes weird and this is our show at it's weirdest - Kinda is surreal and deep and wonderfully pretentious, silly but adult, the bizarre tale of a Survey Team in the Garden of Eden. I like seeing Tegan trapped in her own mind - the view resembles a dark and twisted New Romantic pop video and I also appreciate the scenes of Hindle's screaming madness and the chemistry between Scientist Todd and the Fifth Doctor (here Nerys Hughes proves to be a better, more likeable companion than the three regulars!). It's a shame Nyssa had a headache for most of the story! I don't mind the cheap, over-lit jungle sets or the pink, rubbery Mara snake - that's '80s TV for you. I only wish that more Doctor Who serials had been as intelligent and daring as Kinda. 9/10
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Post by sadako on Apr 3, 2023 18:28:31 GMT
I'm leaning toward a 6.
I do want to like this story.
It's very ambitious, and for its more cynical time it was probably something more refreshingly spiritual, but I'm not sure it entirely works.
There's a histrionic quality to it I never quite took to and which is very Season 19. Looking at the deleted scenes on the DVD I get the sense this could've been mitigated by their inclusion to smooth things out. To give a bit more time for the story and characters to breathe. To explain what really drove Tegan or Hindle to breaking point in a way that feels like more than just plot requirement or contrived coincidence. there really is too damn much of the latter here.
The climax with the rubber snake is a bit unfortunate. The padding with Adric blaming Tegan for succumbing to the Mara just makes him seem maladjusted and begs whether the makers were deliberately trying to make us hate him.
It wants to be a humanist tale about the humanist condition, but a lot of the time it feels plastic, clunky and very didactic in a way that doesn't digest easily with me.
On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for it as a first time viewing experience that does keep you hooked and keep you guessing. It's a very unpredictable story that dispenses with the expected cliches. There is something endearing about seeing this Tardis team on holiday. A lot of the time it knows what it's doing in terms of pacing. It does look like the beginnings of an ideas renaissance for the show. In hindsight it feels more like the last hurrah for the kind of 'student idealism' of the Williams era. Something that wasn't going to survive under Eric Saward's vision.
I do feel like it was ultimately butchered in the edit. Moreso than any other story infact.
I would love to see a proper director's cut of it.
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Post by GC on Nov 27, 2023 17:04:06 GMT
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 17, 2023 0:27:02 GMT
I didn't care much for Richard Todd in this, but, I did come to like him as an actor in general. Here he is, BRIEFLY, amidst a sea of terrific actors, in a scene from the middle of THE BIG SLEEP (1978), one of my favorite movies ever.
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 17, 2023 16:40:11 GMT
I like how, though he starts out looking like he's warning Marlowe (as in, watch your step or you'll be in trouble with the cops), in reality, he's giving him some helpful advice (your client's family is TROUBLE, be careful). He and Marlowe's friend (played by John Mills) apparently SUSPECT more about what's going on than they care to share, since they don't have any proof.
I first saw this in a theatre, and NEVER ONCE got lost or confused! To me, that's "clear" storytelling, something I'd consider essential with such a COMPLEX mess of a story.
So many tear down or outright dismiss this movie, but it's obvious that Michael Winner's entire goal was to tell Chandler's story... which the Howard Hawks film in the 40s was not allowed to do ("thanks" to the Production Code censorship).
I remember how over at the IMDB Message Boards (long since shut down) they had an entire thread discussing in gruesome detail the twisted plot of the '46 film, as fans argued about who really did what when and why, so many decades after-the-fact. I know Sadako & I both missed that place after they closed it.
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