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Post by Cyggy on Mar 5, 2022 0:52:13 GMT
Please rate and discuss this story here.....
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 8, 2022 16:45:18 GMT
Couldn't make head or tail of it at the time, but think I understand it more or less now (I think).
Visually very memorable, but can't decide if it's a load of pretentious nonsense of a very clever story indeed.
Am still not sure who really directed most of it. Sounds like Graeme Harper did a fair share of the work?
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Post by Cyggy on Jun 22, 2022 13:31:37 GMT
'Warrior's Gate Reunion' Part One - Stage Panel
'Warrior's Gate Reunion' Part Two - Stage Panel
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Post by Cyggy on Jul 7, 2022 15:37:35 GMT
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Post by GC on Jul 24, 2022 0:13:48 GMT
Headphones flashback...
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Post by Future-Diver on Jul 27, 2022 6:55:37 GMT
"You were the noblest Romana of them all"
Baffling and surreal but visually impressive - the 1980's pop music video influence on Warrior's Gate is very obvious. Sad to see Romana leave in Episode 4 but Lalla did look lovely in that Chinese inspired outfit. Kenneth Cope is always welcome. I wish there had been more Who serials like this - strange, mystifying but intriguing.
8/10
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Post by rapscallion on Jan 19, 2023 11:51:15 GMT
I like Warriors' Gate, but at the same time I find it an extremely frustrating watch.
Having just watched it again, I still find it a tough one. But it does have some great scenes, such as Biroc breaking through into the TARDIS, the Doctor's encounter with the Gundan robots. And that enigmatically filmed coin flip on Rorvik's ship.
The ending of Part 2 where the revived Tharil (Laszlo ?) makes his way up and along the metallic stairways and advances over Romana and her screaming was a scene etched on my brain as a child. Very unsettling. It was the only thing I could remember from this story until I saw it again in the mid-90s, and along with the Marshmen coming out of the lake and Melkur sat in the Keeper's chair was one of the few vivid memories I had from Season 18.
A very impressive scene -and another unsettling one- is the attempted revival of the Tharil in Part 4, and the officer (Sagan is it? I genuinely don't know. Does he even get referred to by name throughout the story?) tips the Tharil off of the stretcher. The officer then gets into a showdown with another Tharil and some electric cables and he dies on his back with his mouth open. Quite a shocker.
The scene with the Doctor attending the banquet with the Tharils and realising that they were the masters that the Gundan was talking about is also very well done. Tom Baker handles this scene brilliantly, and it's only at the beginning of Part 4 where it becomes clear that time, as well as space, is compressing.
But the downside to Warriors' Gate is how much scientific waffle is offloaded onto the viewer. It just leaves me scratching my head and I can imagine Christopher H Bidmead having as much to do with this ultimately confusing script as Steve Gallagher/John Lydecker himself.
Infact, it makes me wonder which came first. Warriors' Gate or the E-Space concept?
Was E-Space written in after Bidmead saw the script for Warriors' Gate and then decided to write an umbrella theme around attempting to return to the normal universe?
State Of Decay could have been written about any planet and, as we know, was an abandoned script from 1977, and Alzarius didn't have to be part of a separate universe in Full Circle.
My point mainly is that Warriors' Gate appears to me to have been a script which would only have been tackled and allowed to have included as much bafflegab as it did because of Bidmead, and while JNT was still a fledgling producer. I could be totally wrong, but it feels to me that if the script had fallen on to a different script editor's desk it may have been abandoned or asked to have been written differently. Would Eric Saward have got into such convoluted scientific territory if Warriors' Gate had been presented to him during the Davison era? Can't see it myself.
From a scientific/mathematical point of view, Warriors' Gate's closest cousin is Bidmead's own Logopolis which is one of my favourite stories of all time. But that story, despite being full of language and concepts that fly over my head, manages to explain itself far better than what's on offer here.
I enjoy Warriors' Gate for what it is. But I also think that it sticks out like a sore thumb amongst everything else in Season 18, and out of the three E-Space stories is actually the toughest to like.
7 out of 10.
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Post by profh0011 on Nov 1, 2023 20:55:44 GMT
I'm always reminded of "Alice In Wonderland".
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Post by dsjr on Apr 9, 2024 21:04:01 GMT
I'm not sure I can fuly get into the story and the commentary wasn't hugely wonderful either. Is Lalla trying too hard to be kind as regards Tom in the commentaries? Damning with faint praise coupled with a smirk comes to mind here and in character at story's end, the way she just walks off with little more than a by your leave taking K9 with her I disliked too...
Did Tom know he was also leaving when this was shot? Tales told me here about him not being especially well giving him a gaunt drawn expression, his hair all but going straight and having to have his curls 'aided' at this time and his generally less 'exuberant' on-screen persona, just doesn't have the eagerness in the show it had a few years previously. If this is JNT stamping his opinion, or the other high-ups wanting to tone Tom down (as I think was suggested) I simply don't agree with it.
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Post by profh0011 on May 30, 2024 4:11:49 GMT
So much of that era, in retrospect, paid tribute to earlier stories that, here in America, we HADN'T SEEN yet!
In this case, I realized that when "The Mind Robber" finally turned up here about 5 years later. All that blank, white space they were wandering around in...
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