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Post by johnnybear on Aug 3, 2022 7:13:11 GMT
If Mailer had of shot the Doctor then would he have regenerated? I doubt it as the concept hadn't been invented yet and the mythology and build up that was part of Planet of The Spiders would have been lost! Plus the book Interference:Part Two having the Pertwee Doctor die on the planet Dust sometime prior to Spiders and regenerate into Tom Baker's incarnation leaves us wondering how and if the troubles on Metebelis 3 would have even begun in this new altered timeline... JB
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Post by Black Orchid on Nov 17, 2022 0:19:49 GMT
According to the Blu Ray subtitles The Master is listening to this song in episode 3: King Crimson - Devil's Triangle
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 17, 2023 22:23:34 GMT
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Post by Servo on Apr 25, 2023 9:52:32 GMT
The Mind of Evil and it's censorship issues. It never did get purchased for a later timeslot.
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Post by dsjr on Sept 3, 2023 13:03:32 GMT
Is this another with B&W film source and colour carefully grafted on from another source? And here's me thinking the Beeb had proper original colour masters of all since 'Spearhead No doubt the colour (red) bleeding here and there on my DVD would be tidied up a lot with modern video processing. I don't think it's the early small flat-screen telly either as the extra interviews and so on look excellent to me... I was never a fan of this one and as above, the sound effects are a bit much and terribly dated compared to much of the 60's Radiophonic Dr Who work (that bloody Delaware synth being patched for a particular suite of sounds? which doesn't seem to change ). Again, lots of location filming which I like from this era. Story seems to move along well, but I'm beginning to get tired (as I very much did then) of seeing the Master in every bloomin' story - and that's no criticism of Mr Delgado at all!
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 25, 2023 19:36:04 GMT
When I first saw this story, in the early 70s, it was IN COLOR.
Unfortunately, when Philly's channel 17 re-ran the early Pertwees, I didn't know about it until they were halfway through "The Claws Of Axos".
In late 1983, "Spearhead From Space", "The Silurians", "The Ambassadors of Death", "Terror of the Autons", "The Mind Of Evil", "The Daemons" and some others were NOT included in the "new" syndication package that got here in the wake of "The Five Doctors". Most because they were in B&W, "Spearhead" because, WHO THE HELL knows why.
So the PBS run of Pertwee started with "Inferno", which happened to be the first story I ever saw in its entirety (having missed half the episodes of "Silurians" and "Ambassadors" in the early 70s). I've probably seen "Inferno" more times than an other WHO story, and let me tell you, I am really SICK TO DEATH of that damnable thing.
Anyway... a year of so later, (1985?), they got all the remaining Pertwees (except for "Planet of the Daleks" part 3 and "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" part 1-- GRR)
You know, the way this story starts, I actually wondered if they weren't missing an episode at the beginning, but, apparently not.
This is YET ANOTHER 6-parter that feels to me would have worked better as a 5, at most. Too much running around over and over.
The Master really jumped full-throttle into "Earthbound criminal gangster" mode, didn't he?
The other real surprise re-watching this story over the years since the 80s has been Jo Grant. She seemed so much like a halfwit determined to contribute in "Autons". But in "Mind", it's like there's been a full season of character development that they just SKIPPED over. I hadn't thought about it until just now as I'm tying this, but, I'm wondering if the writer actually wrote the story with Liz Shaw in mind and didn't know about Jo. (This would be similar, if the reverse, of how "Day of the Daleks" was a script leftover from several seasons earlier, and Jo's character had actually been written with Victoria in mind!)
"Mind" feels like the 2nd half of a pair of connected stories. In the first, The Master shows up, but then is trapped on Earth. In this, at the end, he ESCAPES Earth. So it's quite a shock when he comes back (as a prisoner of aliens) in the VERY next story!
Something I never noticed until decades later (when I decided to watch Season 7 at a rate of ONE episode a day-- rather than as "edited movie" versions), is how The Doctor had a really drastic and noticable character arc over the course of his first 3 stories.
In "Spearhead", Pertwee goes thru all 4 parts "doing" Patrick Troughton. NO, REALLY. Pertwee had been hired to be funny, and in that story, he was. His "serious" character didn't debut until "Silurians", which, no coincidence I'm sure, is when Barry Letts took over as producer!
At the start of "Silurians", he's annoyed and slowly coming to terms with the fact that HE'S STUCK on Earth. And things end BADLY. To a large degree, because of his refusal to tell The Brigadier what the HELL he was doing. He hadn't come around to the idea that he HAD to work with The Brig for things to go smoothly. At the beginning of "Ambassadors", he's REALLY pissed off, and as the story drags on and on and on, things keep going from bad to worse. UNTIL the final episode or two, when he manages to avert a major disaster, straighten things out between the aliens and the Earthmen, and then is seen walking off... SMILING.
This leads directly into "Inferno", where we see him driving along... SINGING. You really get much more of an impression of this if you watch ONE episode at a time, than trying to go through whole stories at once (especially when 3 of them in a row are freaking 7-PARTERS).
However, when The Master shows up, his mid-level irritation kicks in again, and doesn't leave until the guy is finally arrested at the end of "The Daemons". I remember, way back in the early 70s, thinking, The Doctor didn't begin to be a nicer, more likable person, until "Day of the Daleks". So it was infuriating that that was the LAST story Philly's Channel 17 ran. TWICE. The first time around, they ran the show 5 times a week at 7:30 PM. The 2nd time... ONE episode per WEEK, Saturdays at 11:30 AM. I'm guessing they really didn't like this show. (Oh, and by the way, every episode was CUT for commercial time.)
I wonder if they ever got the rest of the stories that were in syndication at the time ("Spearhead" and the rest of season 9).
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Post by GC on Dec 17, 2023 17:04:23 GMT
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Post by Silent Walter on Dec 17, 2023 21:49:54 GMT
The highlight of Season 8 for me. Arguably the last gasp of Season 7's gritty austere tone before the cosiness and comic book familiarity sets in for the rest of Pertwee's era and a cracking Anthony Burgess style science fiction thriller in it's own right that's brilliantly acted (mostly), written, directed and produced. Only downsides to it are it does fall into some of the era's worst indulgences such as the ''escape, caught, escape, caught formula'', Chin Lee who's alright on the eye but her acting leaves a bit to be desired and the padding of Episodes 3 and 4 but they are otherwise minor contrivances.
8.5/10
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 17, 2023 23:16:34 GMT
Have never been that struck on this one. That Keller machine noise does me head in and think it's a bit overlong at six episodes? I'm of the opinion that ALL Jon Pertwee 6-parters are overlong. (And that goes double for those pesky 7-parters.)
I feel it was during the Tom Baker era that they figured out how to do 6-parters that didn't feel overlong. "The Seeds Of Doom" was like a 2-parter linked to a 4-parter. "The Talons Of Weng-Chiang" and "The Invasion Of Time" were like 4-parters linked to 2-parters. And "The Armageddon Factor" was like 3 linked 2-parters!
The last time I watched "The Mind Of Evil", I was impressed by how Jo Grant, portrayed as a over-achieving determined airhead in the previous story, actually was written quite brave and competent in this one.
Then again, its been pointed out that she's practically written like a child in "Day of the Daleks", so there was definitely some inconsistent treatment of her during her time on the show.
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 17, 2023 23:24:58 GMT
Is this another with B&W film source and colour carefully grafted on from another source? And here's me thinking the Beeb had proper original colour masters of all since 'Spearhead No doubt the colour (red) bleeding here and there on my DVD would be tidied up a lot with modern video processing. I don't think it's the early small flat-screen telly either as the extra interviews and so on look excellent to me... I was never a fan of this one and as above, the sound effects are a bit much and terribly dated compared to much of the 60's Radiophonic Dr Who work (that bloody Delaware synth being patched for a particular suite of sounds? which doesn't seem to change ). Again, lots of location filming which I like from this era. Story seems to move along well, but I'm beginning to get tired (as I very much did then) of seeing the Master in every bloomin' story - and that's no criticism of Mr Delgado at all! This was IN COLOR when I first saw it in the early-mid 70s.
But when it resurfaced in the mid-80s, it was in BLACK AND WHITE.
You just wanna go back in time and throttle someone at the BBC.
There was a big deal in the 90s in DW Magazine made of the new method for re-integrating the color with the overseas B&W film prints. To this day, however, I STILL haven't seen any of them! When I'm a mind to re-watch the show (it's been some time now), I have to put up with my 1980s PBS videotapes.
I'm still missing "Planet of the Daleks" part 3 and "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" part 1 as a result of that. Those IDIOTS never ran those single B&W episodes among the other 5 eps in color. When I finally got around to seeing both of those, on Youtube, imagine how infuriated I was to find that, sure enough, they were the BEST episodes of each 6-parter!
This was "only" the 2nd Master story in a row (out of 5).
Jon Pertwee's Doctor at this point still struck me as being far too arrogant and stuck-up, so, MY favorite characters on the show were The Brigadier and The Master! (Pertwee's Doctor got nicer starting with "Day of the Daleks". Maddeningly, that was the LAST story Philly's Channel 17 ran in the 70s.)
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Post by markhev1966 on Jan 13, 2024 20:41:48 GMT
This is by far my favourite story of the Pertwee era, and I think its a great shame that Don Houghton only wrote two stories. I love the gritty edge and the setting in the prison gives it a unique feel. I first saw this one in BW at a 1984 Group Meeting in Cannock, Staffs as I had been banned from the show as a rather scared 5 year old after Terror of the Autons and missed the rest of season 8 on transmission. As we did not get colour til January 6th 78 I would have only seen this in monochrome back then so seeing it that way in 84 didn't harm it. Of all the telerecordings I think Mind of Evil loses least being in colour.
I was VERY disappointed with season 8 - the noise and comet trails on Terror and the "quick brush up of the 2013 DVD master" for this one. I did my own uspcale of Terror and it was better with less noise - I a sure noise is being added to 70s VT on the last few releases (Day of the Daleks has noise that I doubt was there even though it was previously SD)
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Post by profh0011 on Jan 13, 2024 23:26:21 GMT
I love that they got Don Houghton to write 3 Hammer films in a row...
DRACULA A.D. 1972 (my favorite of the entire Hammer Dracula series) THE SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA THE LEGEND OF THE 7 GOLDEN VAMPIRES
I never got to see decent prints of these until a year ago when i got them all on Blu-Ray. And, I swear, LEGEND is the best-looking one, despite being my least-favorite. I just wish (A)they'd gotten anyone other than John Forbes-Robertson to play Dracula, and (B) James Bernard has inserted SOME music, ANY music, in the scene where they begin walking thru the open country. Every time that scene crops up, I begin singing instrumental ELMER BERNSTEIN music right there.
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Post by Future-Diver on Jan 15, 2024 6:30:24 GMT
I love that they got Don Houghton to write 3 Hammer films in a row... DRACULA A.D. 1972 (my favorite of the entire Hammer Dracula series) THE SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA THE LEGEND OF THE 7 GOLDEN VAMPIRES
I never got to see decent prints of these until a year ago when i got them all on Blu-Ray. And, I swear, LEGEND is the best-looking one, despite being my least-favorite. I just wish (A)they'd gotten anyone other than John Forbes-Robertson to play Dracula, and (B) James Bernard has inserted SOME music, ANY music, in the scene where they begin walking thru the open country. Every time that scene crops up, I begin singing instrumental ELMER BERNSTEIN music right there.
Dracula AD 1972 is also my favourite. It's bloody bonkers but smashing fun and the soundtrack is very cool. It has that early '70s, cheapo Brit film, swinging vibe - all it needs is for Robin Askwith or Barry Evans to turn up and it'd be perfect. The other two Houghton penned Hammers are also very good.
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Post by profh0011 on Jan 15, 2024 13:59:20 GMT
A lot of people totally dismiss both "modern" Dracula films, especially the first one. There's a guy at the "Hammermaniacs" FB group who's pathological in his hatred for it. Any time anyone even mentions it, he has to go on and on about how much he hates it.
This makes no sense to me, as the stories in MOST of the Hammer Draculas are absurdly lame. But from the first time I saw it (about 1980), A.D. 1972 always struck me as having the best story. One thing I find off is that it seems like it was designed to be "the grand finale"... and yet, they immediately began work on a sequel. The two films work as virtually as two-part story, and the 2nd one definitely has a "grand finale" vibe to it... yet, at the same time, is somehow not as satisfying a watch.
The strangest thing has to be the recasting of Jessica. How do you go from a large-breasted blonde to a slender rehead (especially when said redhead was almost always blonde in everything else she did?). I much prefer Joanna Lumley to Stephanie Beachum, yet Lumley didn't get as much to do in the 2nd film.
I keep thinking it would be cool if they'd do a sequel NOW... with her as the elder Van Helsing.
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Post by markhev1966 on Jan 15, 2024 22:10:37 GMT
I think AD72 was the first one I was allowed to stay up and watch and it came before the legendary double bills of the mid to late 70s. I am pretty sure it was ATV Midlands about 1975 or 76. My mon and old man used to love the Hammer films and we would often go to see them as a family as well as Carry On films. I remember going to see one of the Frankenstien films (maybe Monster from Hell) when I was WAY too young as it was a local community cinema with about 60 seats and they just let anyone in. We always used to go to the Odeon Sutton Coldfield on Wednesday night as it was double bill rerelease night and by 73 I had caught up with the Bonds, 2001 (a double bill with The Fantasic Planet) and several Hammers - one being the thought lost but now out of Blu ray "The Ugly Dickling".
I digress.
I think that Seven Golden is the weakest and the close ups of a green tinted Dracula that looks like a coach driver on a day out to Blackpool kind of ruins it. However, there is a lot to enjoy and bless Hammer for doing a genre mash up with Kung Fu! I think the middle one is also fun and again was a bugger to get in a decent print for years. I bought a ten film vampire box set at a store called Dollar General (USA's answer to Spar or Nisa) back in 2008 and it had a very good copy which did me til the blu was finally released. I think my association with those three films was mostly from the big format books you used to get in the 70s from the likes of Dennis Gifford. I will admit I am also a big fan of Lust for a Vampire even with that song!
So yes, Houghton was a great loss to Who. He wrote good plots and some good characters/dialogue (Mailer for example in MoE is very realistic for a 5.30 Saturday serial).
We was robbed!
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