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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 15:19:27 GMT
I genuinely love this story. I'd even say it's my favourite of the season, despite the much loved Inferno being the biggest Pertwee fan favourite. I honestly don't find this slow or too long at all. For me, the story keeps developing outwards throughout its 7 episodes. If anything I'd say there's a lot more repetition in Inferno, whereas there really isn't any in this story. I've watched it in one sitting several times and wallowed in the experience. 😁 10/10.
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Post by Black Orchid on Jul 20, 2023 13:50:03 GMT
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Post by Black Orchid on Jul 20, 2023 13:53:11 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Aug 6, 2023 20:42:48 GMT
I didn't think I'd enjoy this story so much, but I am JP really IS a worthy Doctor, Liz works well and the deeper aspects of the story are well realised, making a total mockery of the last incumbant in the role (Lord, she was effin' AWFUL in comparison with this). Not got to the end at his minute, but I look forward to the Doctor angrily putting the rather smug Brigadier in his place at last!
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Post by dsjr on Aug 7, 2023 8:30:19 GMT
Got to ask - my DVD set is an early issue one and the picture really doesn't seem very good with some soft focus 'grain' and also slightly over-saturated colours. Could be the small telly I'm watching it on which is an early 'flat screen' type so maybe nothing in reserve to 'process' the picture as a modern telly would (Blu-ray player used for playback at 1080p). Anyone else with this, or is it my 'playback system' specifically the telly?
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Post by Black Orchid on Aug 7, 2023 10:18:16 GMT
Got to ask - my DVD set is an early issue one and the picture really doesn't seem very good with some soft focus 'grain' and also slightly over-saturated colours. Could be the small telly I'm watching it on which is an early 'flat screen' type so maybe nothing in reserve to 'process' the picture as a modern telly would (Blu-ray player used for playback at 1080p). Anyone else with this, or is it my 'playback system' specifically the telly? The picture quality isn't all it should be because the original 625-line PAL colour tapes were junked by the BBC. The story was broadcast in the USA in NTSC 525-line colour in the 1970's and Ian Levine got a friend to tape it off the TV for him. The broadcast NTSC tapes were later also junked. According to Wiped! they have used 625-line black and white copies and recolourised them with NTSC 525-line colour. Hopefully a future Blu-Ray release will improve the picture quality further.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 8, 2023 10:32:50 GMT
Here's me thinking that all the colour episodes were safe apart from the odd one or two
Looks like the old RT site has gone now.
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Post by Black Orchid on Aug 8, 2023 11:09:04 GMT
Here's me thinking that all the colour episodes were safe apart from the odd one or two
Looks like the old RT site has gone now.
Do you own a Blu-ray player? If so I would recommend buying Season 8 on Blu-ray as the picture quality of Terror of the Autons, Colony in Space and The Daemons are much better than the DVD releases.
The 2013 DVD Special Edition of Inferno is better than the original DVD release as well.
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Post by rapscallion on Aug 8, 2023 17:27:49 GMT
Here's me thinking that all the colour episodes were safe apart from the odd one or two
Looks like the old RT site has gone now.
Is it blasphemy to say that I actually quite like that some of the 1970 & 1971 Pertwee stories look less than perfect, colour-wise? There's something about the fact that the prints of The Silurians and particularly The Ambassadors Of Death look old and rather sorry for themselves in places that makes me value them even more. Like they've been through the wars but thankfully we've got them back.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 8, 2023 18:43:35 GMT
'Course it's great we have them back. Just makes me more angry than ever the BBC junked the master tapes - colour stories too :-( On another tack but related, in 1972, our parish church played host to 'Songs of Praise' and towards the end, there's a lovely shot of my late Dad singing his heart out (I was off camera). No video recorders then and I suspect lost forever now
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Post by profh0011 on Aug 7, 2024 21:54:12 GMT
"The Silurians" was my first exposure to the TV series. The picture quality was dodgy (though, they actually were in color back then) and I learned a decade later they'd been CUT for commercial time. The wonderful scene that introduced "Bessie" was missing, so my FIRST look at Jon Pertwee's Doctor was when he stormed into the research center with an angry chip on his shoulder. I didn't like him AT ALL.
But I DID take an instant liking to The Brigadier... and I REALLY liked Liz Shaw! To this day, she's still one of my favorite WHO girls. Caroline John is probably also my favorite "Laura Lyons" among all the actresses who've played the character in various versions of "The Hound of the Baskervilles". (She is, of course, in the version with Tom Baker.)
I had such a hard time back then watching any show 5 days a week, so when you had long or ongoing stories, I'd always wind up missing part of them. In this case, I saw the first 3 episodes and then somehow MISSED the next 4 in a row! (Don't ask me how that happened.) So I didn't see it in its entirely until probably 1985, when it turned up here again-- in BLACK AND WHITE-- and, in "movie edit" form. And that's how I have it in my collection.
This story took a LONG time to grow on me. I think it was somewhere around 10 years ago by now... I was re-watching the show, at a rate of ONE episode per day-- which means, whenever I only had a "movie edit", I had to figure out where the cliffhangers SHOULD have been... and then hit the STOP button there, and pick up the next day.
"The Silurians"-- and "The Ambassadors Of Death"-- BOTH benefitted immensely from watching them that way!
As it works out, the whole of season 7 is one long "character arc" for The Doctor. He starts out a bit pissed that he's been changed and exiled to Earth, but this is softened a BIT when he meets Liz, a fellow scientist, and just hits it off with her right away. But then he tries to sneak off, and finds the TARDIS isn't working. So, looking all embarrassed, he reluctantly agrees to help The Brigadier with his current problem. At the end of "Spearhead", he realizes he needs to come up with a name for the Brig to call him (for his official status paperwork and all), and he comes up with... "Doctor Smith. Doctor JOHN Smith." It's funny, because "Dr. Zachary Smith" on LOST IN SPACE strikes me as having been at least slightly INSPIRED BY William Hartnell's character from the 1st season of DOCTOR WHO. He was the guy who kept getting other people in trouble, from which they then had to extricate themselves... AND HIM. But over time... he became more likable. BOTH of them!
"Silurians" starts with The Doctor in a good mood showing off Bessie. But once he arrives, he's in a foul mood, because he really doesn't want to be there, and it's sinking in that he really is TRAPPED on Earth. The story drags on and on, until he finds out The Brig has BLOWN UP the caves. "Ambassadors" starts with him REALLY pissed off. So there's this ongoing continuity from story to story you don't often see on the show, before or since. Things go from bad to worse to even worse, until he goes into space, finds out what's really going on, and things finally begin to turn around. At the end, the truth comes out, disaster is averted, and The Doctor exits stage right... SMILING at last. And when "Inferno" begins, he's driving along... and SINGING.
If you watch this at a rate of ONE episode per day... the gradual evolution works wonderfully. By comparison, it really is too much trying to cram 7 episodes in a row back-to-back in one sitting.
Even with 4-parters, I find I prefer watching them in 2 PARTS, at least (1-2, then 3-4 later).
There's one movie in my collection that I found absolutely does not work in one sitting... but if you watch up to the "Intermission"... then shut it off and continue THE NEXT DAY, works immensely better. It's John Huston's THE BIBLE: IN THE BEGINNING. The 2nd half never worked for me, even when I saw it in a theatre. But watching it separate from the 1st half of the film... I actually enjoyed it for the first time IN DECADES. (It's one LONG story-- George C. Scott as Abraham.)
I do wish Liz had made occasional return appearances, maybe one story per season.
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Post by Servo on Aug 8, 2024 10:55:07 GMT
I’m sort of torn on this one.
I first saw it in the mid 80’s in b&w and thought (as I still do) that it’s a tad overlong.
There’s some prime Pertwee gurning though at the end of episodes 4 and 6, which sticks in my memory.
Malcolm Hulke weaves a familiar theme here, one of people lacking acceptance and an inability to get along.
You’d probably think it was pretty woke if you worked for the dirty digger, but its themes are even more apparent today.
I do like it, but it just goes perhaps one episode too long for me.
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Post by GC on Aug 8, 2024 12:53:46 GMT
Yeah 7 episodes worth of those Kazoos was a bit too much...
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