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Post by sadako on Dec 3, 2022 23:29:08 GMT
I know what you mean. I found it kind of chilling actually how many fans went along with enforcing that repressive line, and adopted the same kind of patronising tone of 'you just don't know your own mind'. It was almost like a zombie virus, and I worry now RTD's back we're going to be entering that kind of cultishness again. 'You just don't know your own mind' - that's a very disturbing attitude and the kind of thing you sometimes encounter over on Gallifrey Base. Scary. This is partly why me and a friend created a forum of our own (linked below) that would hopefully be free of that attitude and an oasis of normality. Problem is we were a bit late to in this day and age where youtube, twitter and Discord have come to usurp forums unless they're legacy forums with a tight-knit community in place.
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Post by Future-Diver on Dec 4, 2022 7:17:33 GMT
'You just don't know your own mind' - that's a very disturbing attitude and the kind of thing you sometimes encounter over on Gallifrey Base. Scary. This is partly why me and a friend created a forum of our own (linked below) that would hopefully be free of that attitude and an oasis of normality. Problem is we were a bit late to in this day and age where youtube, twitter and Discord have come to usurp forums unless they're legacy forums with a tight-knit community in place. Thanks, Sadako - I've been a member of The Auton Factory for a while now (under a different username). It's a great forum, but I haven't posted anything there yet.
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Post by WildcatMatt on Dec 5, 2022 3:11:20 GMT
I have several feelings about Ian.
I respect that he pursued his passion for the show and had the opportunities to parlay it into a geek fan's dream of having influence over the production of his obsession. Frankly, if I were in his position I would have done exactly the same thing (and in fact, at the height of my obsession over "The Simpsons" I tried to leverage the couple of connections I managed to make with the production staff to do more or less what he did, only I wasn't successful).
I appreciate his dedication toward the show and his willingness to put his own money into it at various points. Even if you think he wasn't as pivotal in stopping the junkings at Ents as he recounts, his intervention with "The Daleks" came because he was paying for copies of stories before there was a home video market for them. And his work as a middleman in contacting stations in the '80s when no one else was bothering.
I also have a lot of sympathy for him, because I feel like his passion and obsession became corrosive -- for the show, for fandom, and for Ian personally -- and it eventually consumed him. The amount of indulgence JN-T afforded him provided a perch which I don't think any of us ought to occupy and I believe this enabled the nastier side of Ian's personality. That he was able to eventually wield as much influence as he did within the production office speaks volumes to the dysfunction of the JN-T era.
I'm also disappointed that, after Phil and Webemy, Ian seemed to go off the rails. To this day I don't know how much of that vitriol and backbiting was genuine and how much of that was performative but it certainly wasn't good for fandom and it did great damage to Ian's reputation and legacy and may well have played a part in the BBC's rejection of his animation projects since his image was rather toxic at that time.
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Post by iank on Dec 5, 2022 3:23:00 GMT
I know what you mean. I found it kind of chilling actually how many fans went along with enforcing that repressive line, and adopted the same kind of patronising tone of 'you just don't know your own mind'. It was almost like a zombie virus, and I worry now RTD's back we're going to be entering that kind of cultishness again. 'You just don't know your own mind' - that's a very disturbing attitude and the kind of thing you sometimes encounter over on Gallifrey Base. Scary. I have noticed that the religiousesque worship of Davies, which had finally started to give way and allow some long overdue criticism of his wildly overrated era in the latter Moffat/Chinballs era, returned with a fervour once the announcement was made of his return. Sad.
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Post by WildcatMatt on Dec 5, 2022 3:26:04 GMT
Talking about Ian being referenced in NuWho though, I always thought Clive from "Rose" had more than a passing visual resemblance to Ian -- here's a comparison shot I made way back in 2005:
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Post by sadako on Dec 5, 2022 9:53:07 GMT
This is partly why me and a friend created a forum of our own (linked below) that would hopefully be free of that attitude and an oasis of normality. Problem is we were a bit late to in this day and age where youtube, twitter and Discord have come to usurp forums unless they're legacy forums with a tight-knit community in place. Thanks, Sadako - I've been a member of The Auton Factory for a while now (under a different username). It's a great forum, but I haven't posted anything there yet. Ah cool. Glad to have you with us on there. I've now upgraded you to a trusted 'Auton' rank on there.
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Post by Cyggy on Jan 12, 2023 23:00:27 GMT
The british brain of High Energy: Ian Levine Interview 2022
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Post by GC on Jan 19, 2023 20:32:08 GMT
Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence (Audio)
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Post by GC on Nov 10, 2023 20:05:37 GMT
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 28, 2024 10:48:10 GMT
Type 40 • A DOCTOR WHO Podcast w/ IAN LEVINE **BRAND NEW BIG INTERVIEW!!**
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Post by Silent Walter on Mar 28, 2024 13:14:02 GMT
I'm in two minds about Ian. On the one hand, to put it bluntly, he can be a melodramatic spoilt plank who puts his foot in it at times and goes into hissy fits over trivial matters but I admire that he's one of the few who has no regard telling it how it is and I'm appreciative of the work he has done in being one of the founding fathers of the movement that ensured fans got to see 60s Who and with the right resources, he can produce high quality goods like the Mission to the Unknown and Shada animations. He's also interesting to listen to whether it be about Doctor Who or his work in Northern Soul.
Also the abuse he gets from fans is ridiculously out of proportion. When it's not Davies creating a mean spirited caricature of him in Love and Monsters and telling him to F*** off at a panel (which is extremely harsh considering Ian's always been one of the biggest singers of RTD's hymn book), it's fans making derogatory comments about his stroke and even one fan taunting him over the death of his mother.
Love him or loathe him, he didn't deserve that.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 29, 2024 19:27:20 GMT
I owe the man so much and so respect his almost photographic memories of the 60's shows in the past at least. People like him can be polarising and may be not aware of more subtle social skills in telling it like it is as they see it (I'm much the same - not statemented though - but not as aggressive with it and it's got better with age as I try to tune in to my hippy side - man... ), but I'm very grateful for the good things he's done as for example, I can watch The Daleks still and thoroughly enjoy the lengthy story and actually, RTD2 should be grateful for it as I believe he had a lot to do with the polarising colouration and in my view butchering of this very same story!
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Post by GC on May 28, 2024 21:59:21 GMT
Nearly 2 hours of Ian venting...
DOCTOR WHO - Type 40 EXTRA: IAN LEVINE UNCENSORED! **ALL NEW EXCLUSIVE!!!**
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Post by Servo on May 29, 2024 4:17:49 GMT
Maybe it’s just me, but I get the impression Ian doesn’t like Richard Bignell much.
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Post by GC on May 29, 2024 13:09:24 GMT
Maybe it’s just me, but I get the impression Ian doesn’t like Richard Bignell much. I bet old LarryCat's ears were burning.
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