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Post by GC on Feb 14, 2023 20:07:44 GMT
Little detour...
Victor Maddern at the Women's Institute (1984)
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 30, 2023 12:19:46 GMT
Colourised by Clayton Hickman
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Post by rapscallion on Mar 30, 2023 15:20:34 GMT
Colourised by Clayton Hickman Blimey, what a brilliantly moody still of the 2nd Doctor. Pretty sure I've never seen this pic before.
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Post by GC on Mar 30, 2023 16:46:28 GMT
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Post by Cyggy on Apr 3, 2023 13:20:06 GMT
From a 2020 rewatch....
Episode 1:
(Using Loose Cannon Recon on Dailymotion)
A lovely opening that can't help but remind me of the opening of ENEMY OF THE WORLD, what with it's arriving on a beach, frolicking about, being spied on and then attacked.
I love how in Classic Who you could have companions from either the distant past or the distant future, rather than the largely present day suburbia that New Who seems to favour and here the Doctor has two companions from history that work as they ask him the questions about "gas from the sea" etc.
It's mind boggling to hear the sonic screwdriver here and think what it would become. It's just a screwdriver that opens things using sound waves. The poor thing has certainly been abused by silly writers over the years. It will be destroying Dalek fleets with one wave next.
I feel a little touch of Nigel Kneale here, with something alive inside pipes etc as in QUATERMASS II, although it may not be intentional. I have yet to hear THE SLIDE by Pemberton, so don't know if that owes something to Kneale also.
This era and brittle base commanders seems set in stone for the time being. Robson seems one of the more idiotically blinkered.
I don't yet own the animation, so am watching this as the LOOSE CANNON recon
*What did Jamie do to Victoria when he says "Oh and Victoria...!" followed by a chortle just after she was told to go back to the bunk room? Some comedy bit of business? The Loose Cannon recon completely ignores it, but he did something amusing. Will try not to overthink it as the mind can boggle that way. :lol:
*(NB: Just read your review after compiling this and before posting Yartek - and see that you too noticed that moment. Yes, spotting these overlooked moments lost to the wipings is part of the fun of this rewatch of course and am pleased to see that they won't get past us. :lol: )
I think that the Harris' are a nice part of this story. Just ordinary people going about their working lives.
Nice cliff-hanger ending to this first part.
This story is getting a lot of praise recently, owing to the animation. Am certainly enjoying it so far based on this recon.
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Post by Cyggy on Apr 3, 2023 13:24:58 GMT
Episode 2:(Using Loose Cannon Recon on Dailymotion)It was lovely to see the Oak and Quill censor clip in context - and I like the way that the reconstructors looped the existing couple of seconds of footage of flame erupting from the beach pipe, thus making it as long as it needed to be for the recon. The creepy music behind Oak and Quill is a plus point in this story's favour imo. with the squelchy weed sound effects also being an important start of this story's success. I did read a thing once where Oak and Quill were compared with the two killers in a Roger Moore Bond film. I remember buying the Target book and - to my shame - never reading it to this day, but remember lots of raves for it at the time....
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Post by Cyggy on Apr 3, 2023 13:27:59 GMT
Episodes 3, 4, 5 & 6(Using the official BBC animation)Am finding myself in a funny spot with this story as I got given the animation for Christmas, so ended up ultimately watching the whole thing is one binge. The memory of watching it that stands out for me are the Gary-Russell-imposed gigantic green tentacles erupting from the sea in the finale as the original scene of out of control helicopter fun was deemed too dull. And that irritating Roger Delgado poster on an oil rig. Just nonsense imo. Am glad they animated it of course, but the indulgences such as the above definitely marred it for me. Will catch up on watching the Loose Cannon versions, doing a double bill of 3 and 4 for the purposes of this rewatch when I get a chance. 2023 Note: I never did! I have failed... I have failed.....
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 3, 2023 14:16:53 GMT
I did read a thing once where Oak and Quill were compared with the two killers in a Roger Moore Bond film. "Sherwin generally toned down the spookiness of the Oak and Swan (renamed Quill) double-act, which Pemberton had imagined as a grim parody of the classic comedy pairing of Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy." www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/rr.html
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Post by rapscallion on Apr 3, 2023 15:01:20 GMT
Episode 2:(Using Loose Cannon Recon on Dailymotion)It was lovely to see the Oak and Quill censor clip in context - and I like the way that the reconstructors looped the existing couple of seconds of footage of flame erupting from the beach pipe, thus making it as long as it needed to be for the recon. The creepy music behind Oak and Quill is a plus point in this story's favour imo. with the squelchy weed sound effects also being an important start of this story's success. I did read a thing once where Oak and Quill were compared with the two killers in a Roger Moore Bond film. I remember buying the Target book and - to my shame - never reading it to this day, but remember lots of raves for it at the time.... I also remember buying the book. My parents took us kids on a long weekend to stay in London back in '86 and I bought the hardback copy of Fury From The Deep in Harrods which was a thrill at the time. God, the excitement! I read mine from cover to cover, great book. And it was even more special because it was hardback.
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 18, 2023 11:28:04 GMT
designed by Christopher Loftus
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 22, 2023 18:40:15 GMT
*What did Jamie do to Victoria when he says "Oh and Victoria...!" followed by a chortle just after she was told to go back to the bunk room? Some comedy bit of business? The Loose Cannon recon completely ignores it, but he did something amusing. Will try not to overthink it as the mind can boggle that way. :lol: The animation has Jamie sticking his tongue out at Victoria - though there is no evidence this actually happened.
DWM 517 - Fury from the Deep - The Fact of Fiction article by Alan Barnes:
"When the Doctor orders Victoria back to the cabin:
In the transmitted version, Victoria simply accedes to the Doctor's request (or so it seems) - Jamie's parting gloat wasn't scripted."
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 22, 2023 18:44:03 GMT
Review of episodes 1 and 2:
Victor Maddern had his 40th birthday on the transmission date of Fury episode 1. He looks far older tbh. I think this story is supposed to be set in 1975 and Robson speaks of having spent 30 years involved with the gas rigs (from 1945), so the character is in his fifties.
Much as I love Fury from the Deep it does suffer from a gimmicky opening - it's ridiculous that the Tardis doesn't materialise but lowers itself onto the surface of the sea. The Doctor just happens to have an inflatable rubber dinghy in the Tardis - how do they get it out of the Tardis doors?
A rather more successful gimmick however is the sonic screwdriver.
The Harrises live in married block 420, so it would appear that single people and married people are kept segregated from one another. I know there's an alert on but it seems a bit OTT to me that Maggie is unable to leave the compound without a pass from Robson. The guards are armed as well.
Victoria's scream at the end of episode 1 lingers on far longer than at the reprise of episode 2.
It's unusual to have a supporting character (Van Lutyens) deliver the cliffhanger to episode 2.
Episode 1 - 8.5/10
Episode 2- 9/10.
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 28, 2023 12:58:58 GMT
From the MEF, notes written by a 12 year old viewer after watching episodes 2-6 in 1968: Episode:3: Mrs.Harris is standing by the sea. She is turning into a seaweed creature. Ronson meets her. He, too, is under the weed's influence! Episode 6: The ending seemed quiet and subdued in comparison. Jamie arguing with Victoria not to stay. The very sad (yes, there were tears!) parting on the beach. Victoria seen from above as the camera pulled back and she dwindled to a dot.......Full post below: missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/7350/notes-written-missing-episodes
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 28, 2023 13:01:56 GMT
The Maggie Harris cliffhanger is one of the best in the show's history - however like the Tardis materialising in mid-air and landing on the sea this is another gimmick.
Oak and Quill use masks when dealing with pure oxygen and they and Robson breathe toxic gas out when attacking others. But presumably all the possessed humans still need to breathe oxygen?
So how does Maggie Harris manage to walk underwater miles out to sea and end up on one of the gas rigs? Even if she doesn't need to breathe she would be knocked over by the current / tides.
Perhaps the weed is out there, forms a protective bubble around her and makes a seaweed flipper to propel her to the rigs?
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Post by dsjr on Jun 26, 2023 19:10:00 GMT
I remember the slightly claustrophobic original (the remnant memories in my head) but the animation does two things very wrong for me. Firstly, they've dressed it up into something it wasn't really and secondly, the 'Scooby Doo' faces and speaking visualisations scream to me that money was spent on the wrong things... I know, I'm being too fussy and I do appreciate the 'widescreen animation' does give a scale to things not there in the 4:3 original.
The story itself terrified me a bit back in the day - Oak and Quill and the 'heatbeat' sound especially.
I gave it 8/10 but the discomfort remains. Of course today, Jamie and Victoria would have been made an item and they'd probably have left together.......
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