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Post by Cyggy on Mar 3, 2022 18:19:32 GMT
Please rate and discuss this story here.....
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 7, 2022 19:09:19 GMT
Not a huge fan of this one. I think it works okay as a story, but six episodes seems a stretch. Maybe would have worked better as a 4 parter? I still can't make my mind up as to whether the 2 animated episodes are wonderfully faithfully or simply amateurish!
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 11, 2022 17:55:54 GMT
The Ice Warriors has an good back story involving Clent, Penley and Miss Garrett. However Clent and Miss Garrett's reliance on the computer is a bit ridiculous and Victoria is at her most pathetic. Storr is one-dimensional and his motivations for helping the Ice warriors against the Brittanicus Base aren't really plausible.
7.5/10
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Post by Black Orchid on Mar 12, 2022 20:10:22 GMT
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Post by johnnybear on Mar 31, 2022 7:31:18 GMT
Does anyone think that Varga may have been a member of the Martian invasion fleet which headed into the sun in Seeds of Death and somehow crashed on earth instead twenty centuries earlier? HaHa, no! I think his ship was trapped on earth during the previous Ice Age of thirty thousand years ago am I right? JB
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Post by Black Orchid on Apr 28, 2022 19:40:57 GMT
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Post by Black Orchid on Jun 8, 2022 23:18:32 GMT
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Post by Cyggy on Jul 8, 2022 12:06:40 GMT
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Post by Cyggy on Jul 11, 2022 10:38:19 GMT
Comparing Doctor Who: "The Ice Warriors" - 1967 vs 2013
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Post by rapscallion on Nov 17, 2022 11:53:36 GMT
Just finished rewatching The Ice Warriors.
There are a few great memorable moments to this story. Episode 1 contains Varga discovered in the ice, with Arden and his team contacting the base and then hit by an avalanche. I thought this was very well done.
For me, the other most memorable part is Victoria being tracked by the Ice Warrior through the mountain (if that's where they're going through, I don't remember that being specified.) Shame that she couldn't have been stalked by one of the more bulky warriors though. Turoc's costume is not the best, and certainly isn't the one on the front cover of the Target novel.
Jamie's woefully incapacitated during several of the latter episodes, which kinda makes 'The Ice Warriors' more Victoria's story than his. A pity then that she spends almost the entire story wailing and crying, because, as a viewer, it actually becomes really frustrating and off-putting.
Victoria seemed to have slightly more backbone in 'Tomb Of The Cybermen', so is her own personal storyline that she gets more and more fragile throughout her entire time with the Doctor, to the point that if she hadn't left at the end of 'Fury From The Deep' she would've suffered a complete nervous breakdown? Bless Deborah Watling, I can see why this characterisation may have prompted her decision to only stay for one season, despite her rapport with Troughton and Fraser Hines.
I love Bernard Bresslaw's take on Varga, his face and neck movements within the Ice Warrior costume are very well done.
As much as I want to love 'The Ice Warriors' and give it a big fat 9 or 10 (because it has a lot that I love - 2nd Doctor, Jamie, Ice Warriors, base under seige premise), I actually think it's a pretty weak 2nd Doctor entry, and perhaps if I could see the whole of Season 5 as it was originally intended I might even view it as the weakest of the season.
Fast forward two years and you can easily swap Leader Clent and Miss Garrett from 'The Ice Warriors' with Commander Radnor and Miss Kelly from 'The Seeds Of Death', Penley for Professor Eldred etc. So maybe Brian Hayles wasn't so happy with the finished product of 'The Ice Warriors' and set about writing a stronger sequel? Although I'm mightily biased towards 'The Seeds Of Death' I'm left with no doubt that Seeds is the stronger and more polished of the two.
6 out of 10 for this one.
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Post by Future-Diver on Nov 18, 2022 10:48:38 GMT
I like The Ice Warriors for Peter Barkworth and Peter Sallis (and Pat Troughton, but that goes without saying), the groovy '60's futuristic outfits, plus the idea of space-aged-technology slap-bang in the middle of an old stately home. I usually enjoy Sci-Fi/Horror tales set in the ice and snow (The Thing From Another World, The Abominable Snowman, The Seeds Of Doom, etc.) but the Icy Warriors, once defrosted, are a dull, lumbering monster and although Deborah Watling was lovely, Victoria was never one of my favourite companions.
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 28, 2023 7:55:35 GMT
From a 2021 rewatch of the Missing Episodes only... Episode 2:(Using the official BBC animation)I think we who miss the missing episodes are occasionally blessed with the odd episode or two that perhaps aren't all that essential for being returned to the archives. I think WEB OF FEAR 3 was one such episode, am pretty sure that THE REIGN OF TERROR 4 and 5 are also such ones. And am almost hoping that the same holds true for this episode and the next one. Things look hopeful in the "not much happening in this episode" department - as it seems to largely consist of Varga bullying a desperately upset Victoria who doesn't have a single Rose, Donna, Clara, Bill, Amy New Who type snarky one liner or a single smart arsed quip to throw at him. Must say that Peter Sallis shows what a brilliant actor he is with his under-stated performance. I honestly don't think there are that many performers of the calibre of Troughton Barkworth and co. around these days. I am pretty sure that more is happening in the next episode, but this one did seem a bit of a filler, treading water and spreading what there was quite thinly. I watched the animation, but might give the recon a whirl, just to see if there's anything I missed. The idea of offering Varga tea and biscuits did make me laugh - and was then followed - for some reason I can't explain - by visions of Bernard Bresslaw playing Varga with his CARRY ON CAMPING voice and personae. :? To digress for a moment - years before DOCTOR WHO WEEKLY, before the Target novelisation, this story, for many years was represented to me by just one of several WHO photos (including one from THE INVASION and another from PLANET OF THE DALEKS) in a 1973/4 hardback book called - depending on the UK or US edition, THE MONSTERS' WHO'S WHO or THE HORRIFIC WORLD OF MONSTERS. And it was just the photo (below right). Before it was even a novelisation - this was all I knew of THE ICE WARRIORS story..... ... I had no idea this was from episode 2. Had no idea that the story was at the time completely missing, no idea of the plot or characters. Had never even seen a clip of the Troughton era - in fact had no idea who Troughton was. But it makes me realise how lucky I am these days to not only be able to watch all of Classic Who whenever I want, but also to even be able to watch the missing episode that the above photo is from. Roll on episode 3, which I indeed think will be more eventful.
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Post by Cyggy on Mar 28, 2023 7:59:06 GMT
Episode 3:(Using the official BBC animation.)I too (in response to fellow rewatcher, Yartek) enjoyed this episode a fair bit more than the second one, as there just seemed to be more happening. I can't say I overly noticed the missing visuals, as this was quite a dialogue heavy tale anyway. it may seem on first glance that Deborah Watling is playing a one-note character, constantly out of her depth and terrified in the clutches of some monster or another, but I think this is a much more realistic approach than someone throwing quips at the threats - as is standard with New Who companions. Let's face it, if one is up against the terrible things bred by the universe, smart alec one liners would be the last thing on many people's minds. I think the terrified companion was an important identification figure, with the reassurance in the background that the Doctor will sort it all out in the end. So kudos to Debbie for always giving it all she had when playing extreme terror and despair. In passing, the Doctor's mention of THE OMEGA FACTOR, irresistibly made me retcon it into him thinking of the founder of Time Lord society as he said it. Along with it predicting the Louise Jameson show of years later. And that moment where the Doctor seemed about the tell Clent that he wasn't human was nice. Classic Who could be so subtle with such moments. Voted for episode 3. Just coz, as Yartek says, there's more happening.
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Post by Future-Diver on Mar 28, 2023 8:10:34 GMT
Episode 3:(Using the official BBC animation.)I too (in response to fellow rewatcher, Yartek) enjoyed this episode a fair bit more than the second one, as there just seemed to be more happening. I can't say I overly noticed the missing visuals, as this was quite a dialogue heavy tale anyway. it may seem on first glance that Deborah Watling is playing a one-note character, constantly out of her depth and terrified in the clutches of some monster or another, but I think this is a much more realistic approach than someone throwing quips at the threats - as is standard with New Who companions. Let's face it, if one is up against the terrible things bred by the universe, smart alec one liners would be the last thing on many people's minds. I think the terrified companion was an important identification figure, with the reassurance in the background that the Doctor will sort it all out in the end. So kudos to Debbie for always giving it all she had when playing extreme terror and despair. In passing, the Doctor's mention of THE OMEGA FACTOR, irresistibly made me retcon it into him thinking of the founder of Time Lord society as he said it. Along with it predicting the Louise Jameson show of years later. And that moment where the Doctor seemed about the tell Clent that he wasn't human was nice. Classic Who could be so subtle with such moments. Voted for episode 3. Just coz, as Yartek says, there's more happening. "Let's face it, if one is up against the terrible things bred by the universe, smart alec one liners would be the last thing on many people's minds."
I Agree 100% with this - once again, another bad mark against NuWho.
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Post by Black Orchid on Jul 5, 2023 16:13:39 GMT
Paul Vanezis MEF 02/07/23: (The Ice Warriors 1, 4, 5, 6) "We don't think those four films were returns from abroad. We think they are the Enterprises telerecording editors copies. Except they have no cuts to them. My belief is that the missing episodes 2 & 3 weren't there because they had cuts made to them. Therefore, the films would have been sent to the negative cutter so that any changes made to the print could be made to the negative." _______ Broadwcast:
"One of the cans was marked as being "EPI TWO" on its label, and yet all the other information written on it - such as the BBC Enterprises code, the episode duration and the film's length in feet - are those for part ONE - which was the episode that was found to be inside the can. In other words, it's not a case of it being episode one inside episode two's can, but episode one's can having the words "EPI TWO" written on its label in error. A popular thought is that the "Cutting Copies" were struck in order to remove or repair any potential faults in the telerecordings: the original video tapes may have had off-lock, drop-out or other artefacts in them which were transferred onto the film during the telerecording process. It's even possible that part six was there to have removed from it the "Next Week" trailer for the subsequent serial that was played at the conclusion of the episode. Any such faults could then be removed from the telerecording negatives prior to any positives being struck. After the new composite negative was made, a "test" positive print was probably struck for checking that the edits had worked. This print was probably then placed in the "B" can, with the negative placed inside the "A" can of that pair. The negatives would likely have been discarded during the BBC's film junking period, but the four "test" prints managed to survive the culling. It's likely that "repair" edits were not required to be made to episodes two and three, which is why further "Cutting Copy" prints were not found with the others."
broadwcast.org/index.php/The_Ice_Warriors
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